Possibly the end of the world!

[Teяa253]

I think you're thinking of Chuck Norris...

because it seems you're trying to cloud the line between "evolution" and "adaptation"...

after all, things don't just evolve out of the blue...rather, they're gonna adapt to their environment.
~Toph~

[Orophin]

Not true. An individual will adapt, a group will adapt, and they will teach their young to adapt, but, they will not change physically. That is caused by mutation, natural selection, and thus, evolution.

Like, say, a group of ducks living in a pond. One day, one is born a mutant, with wings far too large for swimming, but perfect for flight. The same day, another is born with slightly larger feet, better for swimming.

Now, whichever one of these survives is more likely to reproduce and pass on the mutated gene. With time, this can cause a whole new species. Of course, if neither survive, then the adaption wasn't suitable, and so a new species would have been worse off. Hence, natural selection.

Or, of course, there's the whole "magic power" point of view. *Zap* You're a human! What were you before? nothing! You just are.

[Teяa253]

precisely.
"adaptation" is the progress of change over time by a species...
"evolution" is like Pokemon... "what? Charmander is evolving..."

like you just said... individuals do not evolve.

except I don't know what kind of idiot believes the magic power thing... I mean, I've heard of Harry Potter fantics, but that sounds almost as crazy as nonliving matter suddenly coming to life.

of course, if you want my version of the creation story, then here's a bit of it...

Matter always was there... when we (I) say God "created" humans, the world, blablabla, the proper term is that he "organized" it. somewhere in some scripture (I'm not a zealot, I'll read and study 'em, but I'm not gonna memorize where every exact phrase is) it says that he "created matter from other worlds"

granted, even your big bang theory stated that the earth did not form at the supposed "beginning of time"...
so with that same logic, who says that the earth was there in the beginning of time?

on the note of "beginning of time", it makes me wonder what big bang/evolutionists claim was there before that big bang... I mean, was it just a ball floating in space (or did God create it and make it go bang... sounds like a good theory to me ...)
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~Katara~

[Orophin]

Well, see, that's the problem. Before, there must have been nothing as the universe is everything.

Then, Big Bang, time comes into existance, followed by matter, gravty, weak and strong nuclear forces...

And as for evolution, it is not instantanious. Evolution takes millions of years. Adaption is simply something that animals do. We adapt to our surroundings.
Well, not humans... humans adapt our environment to us. But that's 'cos we're just that powerful.

[Teяa253]

sounds like God's declaration to Adam and Eve (AKA humans) that they would "have dominion over all the earth" to me...

but by that theory, I suppose one day time just decided to begin?
I mean, to give time a definitive beginning is a little confusing...

time is one of those things that has no beginning... and no end... (which sounds like another god theory to me... )

I mean, The Big Bang... surely all that matter didn't just spring from nowhere... I'll even believe that compact ball theory, but it makes me wonder where it came from...
and I mean, it's not like time is gonna just stop even if everything DOES come together in The Big Crunch... time has no beginning and no end.

~Azula~

[Orophin]

Actually, it did. Time began. Hence, we might assume it will end... or, maybe it will just keep going. But, it did begin. Before that, everything happened at once. Not even in a split second, it all happened in almost literally no time at all.

[Teяa253]

actually, no it does not.

one thing I have noticed with the evolution theory is that there are no infinites...
to believe that time had a beginning and/or ending is like believing that you know the highest (or lowest) number in existence. it just cannot be done. why is that? because numbers go on forever...

similarly, so does the universe... it has no end...
and if it does, then what is beyond its boundaries?

so why don't I have to answer "when did time begin/end" or "where does the universe begin/end"?

because according to creation, god has made "worlds without end (or it might have been "worlds without number"... I get it mixed up) and has no beginning"

I mean, sure according to creation the world was form on October 23rd 4004 BC, but as I said before, we both agree that the world has a beginning (and will eventually come to an end)

it's "time" and "the universe" which we debate... I believe them both to be like numbers...

they have neither a beginning nor an end.
~Azula~

[Orophin]

If God made them, then they still have a begining. Everything has a beggining. That's the point.

[Teяa253]

uh... numbers?

theory debunked. ^^
~Azula~

[Orophin]

Numbers have a beginning. See, they start with 1. Then, generally, comes 2... do you see where this is going?

[Teяa253]

that's just where people decide to normally start them...
which could explain perhaps why people claim that the universe has a beginning... they just chose some random time (12 billion years ago) and said "the big bang happened then."

but no my friend, have you forgotten the 2nd grade concept of negative numbers?

here's how the number line really goes...

(can't really start anywhere since it has no beginning... so blablabla)...

... -4, -3, -2, -1, 0, 1, 2, 3, 4... (and there's not really an ending either. oh dear.

so... debunked. ^^ *yawns*
~Sanaki~

[Orophin]

Negatives are not a beggining. Negatives are negative.

[Teяa253]

exactly.
which proves my theory of there being no beginning to them.

but if you're trying to say they aren't numbers, that is where you are wrong.
I mean, "what is less than zero?" answer: -1... (or -2, -3, etc)

but if you want to count up from the very beginning of numbers, you'd have to find the lowest number in existence (negative numbers are real numbers BTW. imaginary numbers have an "i" after them)

so, in closing, the number line has neither a beginning nor end.
~Toph~

[littlelouie11]

pwned

[Orophin]

So, where do you start counting?

Imagine the number line, then, if that's the image you want to use. Every single negative number, even though the amount is infinite, happens at once. Then, there's 0. Big bang. Time comes in. Numbers now appear in order, in a rythmic pattern.

1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11... etc. instead of -2444 -31 -5 -98 -8375866 (No comma's = no time between them. All splurted out at once)

Now, of course, this could very well mean that the universe will go on forever, and I'm fine with that, to be honest.

But, that would then show the begginning of true time. Ordered, constant.

Of course, we know the Big Bang occured, as we've studied the radiation left over from it. Then, we calculated some things about it (very carefully, mind) and discovered the approximate time of the Big Bang. So, we know how long time has been in existance. We know how much time there has been time.