The Short Lived Debt

[Orophin]

Yep, totally. Ask too many questions, and you'll only get a blanket answer, or some good old fashion ignorance from my end. I don't really have the time to waste with mass questioning. Suffice to say, if it's answered, it's answered. If not, and you still really wanna know, go make up some random junk on your own that you feel answers the questions, and put it in the form of a brand new spinoff fanfic. Or, you know, whatever works.

[grangran]

That seems very hypocritical to me, because you seem like the type who would ask a whole crapload of questions if there was something you didn't believe. Maybe I'm wrong though--it wouldn't be the first time.

Either way, there' no need to make up a million excuses. That just makes yourself look bad.
"Excuses are like buttholes--everyone's got them and they all stink." (a lame quote I heard from someone's dad)

I think you need to get out of the house more often and see the real world. I mean, what are you going to say to your boss when he/she asks you questions because you failed to clearly specify them?

there's a certain group of people I know of that seem to think like you though. I know this from experience.

just saying...

[Orophin]

I generally expect that any boss I would have would only be asking me questions to which the answers have some practical use, and are worth answering... if I'm asked how my day was, however, this is a useless question, because knowing the answer changes nothing, and merely serves to start a conversation that could easily be started by conversing the actual issue.

Now, if you think about it, any questions asked on an online forum, such as this one, serve no purpose whatsoever. So, I'll answer whichever ones I like, whenever I find best suited to me. After all, it's not like there is actual importance including in anything said here, unless someone chooses to read further into it than is wise, or the person writing it means more than they probably should.

Now, once you've known me for about, oh, say, ten years, that's when you can start making judgement calls on my character. I don't care how long it's been, when people who I've known much longer and still see regularly still don't know me well enough to judge what I might do or say in a given situation.
Just because this particular internet persona happens to act in a certain way, it doesn't mean I am anything like it in real life, or even in other online environments, talking to different people with different attitudes. What I think, what I do, and how I act are all exactly how I want them to be at that moment in time.
No matter how long you think you've known me, there's only one way into my mind, and I never handed out invitations.

[grangran]

but that's the thing. even in the real world, it is possible to act much differently than you really are.

I could personally care less if Joe Schmuck is the nicest person in the world. if Joe Schmuck acts like a jerk to me, I'm going to label him as a jerk.

Online, it's even easier. As far as I know and care, this is who you are everywhere you go, because that's the impression you've given off. Why should I believe otherwise? the impression you give to a person is the one they're going to label you with.

Besides, the internet is the prime place to lie and get people to believe you. Generally though, the best policy is to act like yourself, because otherwise, just like in the real world, you'll have to keep making up things to cover up for fallacies until you're cornered. The only advantage is that there is no way to prove things, and so people will go a little more on faith.

So summed up, I really could care less who you are anywhere else, unless I run into you somewhere else. This is where I know you, and so this is where and how I am going to label you, because that's what I do. To me, that's who you are. Enjoy.

[Orophin]

And yet you find you can label me, merely by that one attitude I displayed, when I have at least three others I use in the context of this site? To me, it just seems like you're taking precedant and assuming it's the norm without actually discovering if it is or isn't true.
I have a word for people who spout nonsense without even attempting to discover the truth of it, but I'm fairly certain I'm not allowed to say it.

[grangran]

and I'm fairly certain that I give little or no concern towards that.

And yes, that is what I do. I don't like to leave a person unlabelled. Labeled people are easier to deal with.

And like I said in my last post, yes the label I have given you is the only one I care about. To me, the others do not exist. Why? because I myself haven't seen them. Like I said: I could care less if Joe Schmuck is the nicest guy in the world. if Joe Schmuck is a jerk to me, he's gonna get labelled as a jerk.
Why shouldn't I give you that label when that's the only thing you're making yourself out to be to me?

Therefore, by that logic, that is how you got your label, and that is also why none of the others mean anything to me until I see them.

Sorry, that's just how the world is. You can't expect people to think you are one way when you act a different way towards them.

[Orophin]

Funny, because I'm fairly certain that I've displayed at least two seperate attitudes on this thread alone. In fact, if I read back just to the top of this page, I can see the change. So I'd either say your labeling of me is premature, or you're about as insightful as a dead baboon.

[grangran]

Well that would just be the pot calling the kettle black, wouldn't it?
after all, I only said I'd labelled you. I never said what that label entailed.

Regardless, I just say what I see, and I see a hypocrite.

[Orophin]

But according to you, you label me that due to an assumption. Now, if you could maybe prove to me that I do that, then sure, feel free to label away. But, I'm gonna go ahead and assume you're too lazy to bother, and if so, there's not really any further reason for you to keep posting on this thread.

[grangran]

and by what you said here...

Mar 25, 2009 12:08:15 GMT 1 Orophin said:

But according to you, you label me that due to an assumption

and here....

Mar 25, 2009 12:08:15 GMT 1 Orophin said:

But, I'm gonna go ahead and assume you're too lazy to bother

you just made yourself hypocritical. So I guess in essence I wasn't too lazy to prove it, but that's beside the point. The point is, is that if you're going to say that I can't make assumptions without proving it, what gives you the right to make assumptions about me without proving them?

that's hypocritical. Therefore, I rest my case, and the label of hypocrite will stand.

granted though, both assumptions hold water. I don't just go around making random assumptions. I always have something to build them off of. Sometimes it's a misinterpretation, but until I get told otherwise with a believable story/reason, they will hold.

As for me posting in this thread, I'll do as I please until someone with authority on this site tells me otherwise, and you have none here it seems.

have a good day.

[Orophin]

If I wanted authority on this site, I'd have gotten it months ago... I'm not interested in it. Think of me as the ultimate member, who thinks that to want to be anything more is just being selfish, and that the creator of the site knows best how to run it.

[grangran]

only the weak and insecure have to ask for respect. The best way to get it is to earn it.
To me, you're just another member, with no greater significance than the next guy who isn't an admin or a moderator of sorts.

As for you supposedly not wanting authority of any sort, that's obviously not true, otherwise you wouldn't have bothered trying to tell me what to do, or telling me what I should think of you.

Surely you know that post count and fancy titles don't matter in the slightest, right?

[Orophin]

I never told you not to post. I just said there's no point, which you continue to prove. I'm not trying to control you. Think of it as friendly advice.
If I wanted to tell you what to do, I would. But you're very, very unimportant to me, so I see no reason to.

[grangran]

well, usually I only take advice from people who are actually intelligible, instead of people who just drabble on with excuses and other random, obscure methods of speech.

I'm unimportant to you? ooohh... I'm hurt

either way, if you want respect, from anyone for that matter, the best way to get it is to earn it. In my lifetime, I've run into too many people who can't seem to comprehend that.

[Orophin]

...I don't recall even using the word respect in this thread, let alone asking for it. The respect of others isn't exactly something worth wanting, let alone the respect of net-people. Respect is only important if you care about what others think of you. And last time I checked, my concern for other people isn't very high, especially if I don't know them. I'd cite some examples, but why bother?