Katara 'Master' bender

[greenearth]

good point

[outlawking]

jonathand1205 said:

okay,
so you say she isn't experienced, eh?
so i guess battling hundreds of firebenders and earthbenders and even a few waterbenders, that doesn't make her experienced?

ahem, YES IT DOES. She fought Azula, which is enough experience to be called a master. In fact, her battling Azula alone, shows how Katara can easily defeat Azula.

As for seasoned fighter?
If you mean by that she needs to fight year round, well, hasn't she? If not, then its pretty close to year round. In almost every episode she fights or uses her waterbending somehow

She is not seasoned or experienced. I wouldn't even call Azula a master. She hasn't been battling hundreds of firebenders and earthbenders alone so the experiance has not been all hers. She has been going around for a few months. The first ep was in like spring. The comet comes in the summer.

[jonathand1205]

outlawking said:

She is not a duck yet. She is still an egg. But lets think of it this way. Let's say she was already walking, quacking, flapping her wings. She still is not a duck. She is a duckling.

now you're basing your thesis on her age.

you dont have to be old to be a master.

just because your as young as a duckling, doesn't mean you have the SKILLS of a duckling, if you can walk, quack, flap like a DUCK then your SKILLS are that of a duck

[kudugu]

outlawking said:

Not so ture. In trigun Vash is a gun master but he still needs a gun.

What is trigun Vash?
What does that have to do with what i just said?
I was talking about ABILITIES and KNOWLEDGE, not tools. A waterbending master still needs water (tool) to use his abilities, but even without it he stays a master.
But tenoko was implying that one could only be a master, if one would need to know and accept the ABILITY of bloodbending (not any tool, which would be a human body and the full moon). And that's simply not true.

[outlawking]

This is not about age. She is not sesoned enough to be a master. Being a master is about being experianced and seasoned.

[tenoko]

kudugu said:

tenoko said:

... I don't think she can be called a true master until she truly accepts her skills... All of them, which now includes bloodbending. Just as Aang needs to master all four elemets (thus firebend) to become a fully realized avatar, Katara needs to accept the fact that she can bloodbend and be able to use it when needed. Personally I think a true waterbending master will be able to learn how to bloodbend without the use of a full moon, but that's off subject. Katara is one of only two bloodbenders and she needs to accept and embrace that skill to be a true master.

1. No master has to like his potential ability to harm, manipulate and kill. I doubt that, for example, Yoda was thrilled about his ability to potentially break someones neck with just a thought. The ability to use a dangerous technique may be important, but even more so the wisdom to know when to use it and when not.
2. Katara may hate bloodbending, but she's already proven that she's willing to use it if necessary and not for simple revenge or power.
3. Following your logic, all waterbending masters who don't know bloodbending (that would be all except Hama and Katara) wouldn't be masters at all ... but wait ... according to your line of thinking even Hama might not be a master, since she needs the full moon to bloodbend.

Now re-read and understand please. I said in my opinion a true waterbending master could learn to bend without the full moon. I also said that a true master can master the skills they posess. I never said that to be a master you need to learn every skill that pertains to that element. I also never said that you have to like the ability, but you do have to accept it and hone it. Please read more carefully and don't skew my words.

[greenearth]

azula isn't a master

[outlawking]

kudugu said:

outlawking said:

Not so ture. In trigun Vash is a gun master but he still needs a gun.

What is trigun Vash?
What does that have to do with what i just said?
I was talking about ABILITIES and KNOWLEDGE, not tools. A waterbending master still needs water (tool) to use his abilities, but even without it he stays a master.
But tenoko was implying that one could only be a master, if one would need to know and accept the ABILITY of bloodbending (not any tool, which would be a human body and the full moon). And that's simply not true.

Trigun is another T.V. show.
Vash is the main character.
The tool dosen't make the man a master. ABILITIES and KNOWLEDGE do. If you take a waterbending master and take away her water what do you have? Nothing. If you are a sword master who won't use the end of the sword you won't be a master. tenoko was right.

[greenearth]

;D
i just felt like doing this. hahaha

[outlawking]

Stop.

[jonathand1205]

outlawking said:

This is not about age. She is not sesoned enough to be a master. Being a master is about being experianced and seasoned.

well then its not a very good analogy to use ducklings and ducks huh?

you said that the duckling could walk, quack, and flap its wings, but it still isn't a duck.

well, true, its not by its age. but it is by its skills, so if we refer the same thing about Katara, then she has all the skills OF A MASTER, the only thing missing is time.

Who needs time? when you can learn all that an old master does, why not?

Why would it not make you a master like them?
You know all they know, if not more.

so once again, Master Pakku is in his old age, and Katara is like.. what 14? 15? 16? maybe? she's merely a teenager, but yet she knows all that Pakku knows, and she has used what he knows, which makes her seasoned right? maybe not in your eyes, but if she can display the disciplines, and skills master pakku has, then it would labe her as a master

[kudugu]

outlawking said:

She is not a duck yet. She is still an egg. But lets think of it this way. Let's say she was already walking, quacking, flapping her wings. She still is not a duck. She is a duckling.

But why? Simply because she's too young in your eyes? So it's pointless and unimportant that she already showed the necessary power, skill, knowledge and wisdom of a master and that other masters saw all that in her - it can't be, because it must not be?

But i guess we're reaching a dead end here. If you don't want to accept her as a master, then that's your prerogative. But it won't change the facts given by the show itself.

[Zfirebendz]

of course u did greenearth...anyway, i dont get what u mean??!! i dont even know that show, whatever its called. im not understanding what it has to do with avatar wither

[greenearth]

katara is a master and thats that, so stop arguing outlawking.

[outlawking]

jonathand1205 said:

outlawking said:

This is not about age. She is not sesoned enough to be a master. Being a master is about being experianced and seasoned.

well then its not a very good analogy to use ducklings and ducks huh?

you said that the duckling could walk, quack, and flap its wings, but it still isn't a duck.

well, true, its not by its age. but it is by its skills, so if we refer the same thing about Katara, then she has all the skills OF A MASTER, the only thing missing is time.

Who needs time? when you can learn all that an old master does, why not?

Why would it not make you a master like them?
You know all they know, if not more.

so once again, Master Pakku is in his old age, and Katara is like.. what 14? 15? 16? maybe? she's merely a teenager, but yet she knows all that Pakku knows, and she has used what he knows, which makes her seasoned right? maybe not in your eyes, but if she can display the disciplines, and skills master pakku has, then it would labe her as a master

She dosen't know all he knows. She dose have skill. There is no getting around that, but she is not experianced or seasoned enough. You need all of that to be a master.